星际迷航11里星历和公元年是怎么对应的呢

星际迷航里舰长和大副之间的暧昧是有意为之还是今人曲解?
本人非腐。看的时候不断被这类弹幕刷屏,看了一段时间好像也感觉他们之间好像是有点超越了一般的友谊,经常眉来眼去,语带玄机。但那个年代好像还不兴这一套吧。。。
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教主Roddenberry在回答老舰长和老大副之间是否有love这个问题的时候说:Yes, there's certainly some of that -- certainly with love overtones. Deep love. The only difference being, the Greek ideal-- we never suggested in the series-- physical love between the two. But it's the-- we certainly had the feeling that the affection was sufficient for that, if that were the particular style of the 23rd century.话说题主可以去看看The Motion Picture这部电影的小说,Roddenberry写的好像,里面老大副在心中称呼老舰长为t'hy'la,意思是朋友/兄弟/爱人。当然,电影没拍出来。顺便贴点AOS没有拍出来的部分剧本里的一段台词,是老舰长的台词:You once said being a starship captain was my first, best destiny… if that’s true, then yours is to be by my side. If there’s any true logic to the universe… we’ll end up on that bridge again someday.……Admit it, Spock. For people like us, thejourney itself… is home.你曾说过成为一名星舰舰长是我最重要的,也是最好的宿命……若真如此,那你的宿命就是在我身边。若宇宙中真有什么终极逻辑……那就是我们终将在舰桥重逢。……承认吧,Spock,于我们这类人而言,旅程本身……就是归宿。PS:这段剧本网上可以搜到哦~建议看看,真的很感人。嗯,不多说了,其实我第一次看到的时候也很震惊,所谓官逼同死。题主自己感受一下吧。到底他们俩怎么样,我也不知道……
宇宙夫夫真的是生命之光啊……感动啊……官逼同死同含笑而死……当年第一次看到那段话那个词的时候----我找不到词语形容我当时坐在屋子里,就有一种窗外凌空飞来个什么金属块,砸碎了玻璃,倏忽拍在我后脑勺上的感觉。我一辈子都忘不了了。把教主大人那本书里的原话贴上来大家感受一下:Until
this very morning, Spock had been certain that he had finally and fully
exorcised his human half and its shameful emotional legacies. An hour
before the rising of the Vulcan suns, Spock had made his way to the high
promontory he had chosen as his own and there he had greeted the red
dawn of this important day with mind-cleansing meditation. He had known
that today he would face T’sai herself and that the High Master would
invite him to enter with her into mindmeld so that she might place
around his neck the old symbol which proclaimed his mastery of Kolinahr.
In searching his consciousness this morning, Spock had been
especially alert for any trace of pride in his accomplishments here in
Gol. Kaiidth! What was, was! He had done only what he had been meant to
do and had the good fortune to be able to do. With this thought, Spock
had looked up at the red dawn sky in the direction where he knew Sol and
Earth to be and had begun a respectful, but brief, farewell to his
mother’s planet and the part of his life that it had represented. He had
long ago decided that he would neither return to that place nor move
among its people ever again.Jim! Good-bye my . . . my t’hy’la. This is the last time I will permit myself to think of you or even your name again.教主大人在原著里给t'hy'la的注解也贴在下面:看完只想说这个外交太极拳舰长你打得真6呵呵呵呵呵……Pon Farr这种东西你也敢拿出来开玩笑果然是舰长啊你就不害怕----看完只想说这个外交太极拳舰长你打得真6呵呵呵呵呵……Pon Farr这种东西你也敢拿出来开玩笑果然是舰长啊你就不害怕----图片补充资料请见 【下面开始跑偏】宇宙夫夫是slash始祖这绝对没错我也灰常自豪,80年代的同人啃起来别有一番风味,当年,没有互联网的时候,前辈们可是靠着互相寄信更文、交流的啊!!但是我为什么满世界安利宇宙夫夫,都安利到知乎上来了----因为,这是STAR TREK啊!这里有你,你这个nerd或者geek或者科幻爱好者或者异乡人或者什么什么想要的一切,然后,然后----这是,跨越无数时间线平行宇宙的,真爱啊!真的,我安利宇宙夫夫的心情就跟你突然,看着了梵高的星空,真迹,接着哑口无言,热泪盈眶,下楼跑圈,然后,猛然意识到你应该拉住你的小伙伴你身边懵逼的路人你远在半个地球外的旧识去瞅一眼。现在,立刻,马上。一模一样。60年代的剧集和电影,超越时代,多个层面上的超越时代,教主大人我……无以言表。整整50年了,inspiration,ENTERPRISE.三季的星际迷航原初(TOS)和六部电影,看完,我就觉得,这俩,无关性别,无关同人,无关腐----如果你告诉我这不是爱,非常肯定地告诉我,那我就真的,不知道,该,怎么继续面对这个世界,怎么,继续,寻找我的,爱人。(之后我可能会回来补充点实例吧)补充:看完Beyond第三支预告片被炸碎成亚原子,和一个愿意与我瓦肯吻(欸暴露了什么)的好基友倾泻洪荒之力或说闲聊的时候,她说了一段她对t’hy’la的理解。渣渣英语抱歉。James T Kirk understands and appreciates Spock's logic.He knows it's
Spock's logic that helps them solve troubles for many
times.Meanwhile,he's happy to see Spock reveal his
human side.He loves
both the Vulcan part and the human part.As for Spock,he's amazed
by such an illogical human who,surprisingly,can always make the right
choices with both reason and human instincts.And this human happens to
accept his two parts,which no one else does.As for Kirk and Spock,they both believe in equality,freedom,believe in what the Federation and Starfleet stand for.That's my comprehension of T'hy'la.They share the same soul.我听完那叫一个感动啊----宇宙夫夫再战一百年,Kelvin Timeline LLAP, Star Trek LLAP."I honour the place in you where spirit lives. I honour the place in
which is of love, of truth, of light, of peace. When you are in that
place in you, and I am in that place in me, then we are truly one." (unknown, 貌似来自)欢迎同好们到LOFTER认亲,快来一起开船!!【跑得更偏】此外,这个目前为止,个人认为,最为动人的词语,该怎么读呢?这是个瓦肯词语大家都造,,但是查了大名鼎鼎的Vulcan Language Institute的The Vulcan Dictionary, 发现这个词吧,是瓦肯语转到标准语后的,额,错误写法。简要来说就是瓦肯语,非常逻辑的语言,一个符号不会有两个读音,所以星联标准语(其实就是英语)的Y这个字母,在瓦肯语里只对应一个辅音。而英文字母Y的英语里的元音角色,在瓦肯语里另有符号。所以,t'hy'la实际上应该是t'hai'la,这才是正确的转译。刚刚提到的那本神书的第八页:Transcription of another language into one's own alphabetic system is not an exact
science. Anyone who has tried to convert Chinese, Japanese, Greek, Russian, etc., into the
Latin alphabet knows what we mean. It is possible to come close in approximating the sound
of the other language, but no system has been found that can represent any and every
language. This is true with Vulcan languages. After the first contacts between Earth and
Vulcan, a system came into use that was convenient to humans but "embarrassing" to the
Vulcans. For example, in English, the letter "Y" can be either a vowel or a consonant, but
the corresponding character in Vulcan is only a consonant. To express the "Y" vowel-sound
in Vulcan you must use the diphthongal "AI", never "Y". It is most illogical to have two
ways to express the same sound. (The Bolsheviks on Earth, after the Communist Revolution,
dropped "redundant letters" from the Russian alphabet as unnecessary, for example.)
Although a later Federation conference adopted a reformed system for transliterating
Vulcan into what had become Federation Standard English, you still often see misspellings
such as t'hy'la or ka'athyra. Old habits are hard to break.
第16页:The Vulcan Language Transliteration Conference of Stardate 6550.0 updated and corrected
mistakes of the past. All our works use those official Federation transliteration/spelling rules.
现在好像就继续沿用t'hy’la的写法了,因为教主大人的原作里,作者的口吻,是所谓 in universe的,可理解为stardate 6550.0之前的一个不长心的传记作家。读音很简单,瓦肯词语没有不发音的部分,现行国际英语音标就可以读出来。祝你早日找到一个人或者活物或者A.I.,可以点触着他或她或ta的食指和中指,如果有的话,然后温柔地说,T'hy'la【我居然还能再跑偏一点,简直要不合逻辑了】瓦肯和瓦肯语真是太,深情款款。比克林贡语可爱多了。哼。(说克林贡语的兄弟姐妹,别揍我,我就是说说,没别的意思)从上面提到的神词典里找出来的:AshayamAshal-vehTaluhkPetakovT’nash-veh telsu (my bond mate)这上面全是爱称啊!!我……我默默掬起一把狗粮。I cherish thee.Taluhk nash-veh k’dular.A declaration of love between bondmates that is accepted by Vulcan society. Parted from me and never parted. Never and always touching and touched. We meet at the appointed place.Dahshal s'nash-veh heh worla dahshal. Worla eh kwon-sum estuhn heh vesht estuhl. Ragel-tor etek na'shi kru’minik.Our minds, one and together . . .Touching, apart, yet never apart . . .We are one.Kashkau -- wuhkuh eh teretuhr --Estuhn wi ri estuhn -- k'wuhli wi ri k'wuhli —Nam-tor etek wuhkuh.强推目前唯一一本被收入正史的官方小说,教主 Gene Roddenberry的“Star Trek: The Original Series - 001 - The Motion Picture.”强推Vulcan Language Institute的The Vulcan Dictionary强推……我都不知道该强推什么了,快上船吧,快打开TOS看起来,不要害怕那些个特效和画质……等你上了船,各种资源各种图文并茂……7月22号美帝不是要上第13部电影也是AOS-Alternative Original Series(官方于正式命名该时间线为Kalvin Timeline)第3部电影Beyond了么,还有,威震四海的fans自制剧第六集Come Not Between The Dragons不是才放出来没几天么……是吧,这么多----一辈子的娱乐活动都有保证了----快上船吧,进取号,这船多好!The journey to the stars with you, is home. 衷心祝星际迷航,宇宙夫夫,和你(谢谢你看到这),Live Long and Prosper!
官方想制造一对无与伦比的好哥们儿,拍的时候还不兴腐女这一套,官方也不可能觉得需要避嫌,于是用力过猛,然后广大女同胞(可能还有一部分真基佬)看着看着就想歪了……官方意识到“我靠还能这么玩”的时候电视剧都播完多少年了吧……总之,超越一般友谊这个定语是没错的,但谁也没说他们就是超越到滚床单的方向上去了,人家要就是亲密如手足兄弟呢?
我就不说动画版里有一集两人因为吸入了爱情水晶,和对方讲的含情脉脉的情话了。这可是官方的啊!
不知题主看的是哪一部。舰长大副CP的说法常见于原初系列(TOS)以及JJ重启系列(AOS)中,Kirk舰长和Mr.Spock之间。不过!! 其实在原初系列中这种感觉并不十分明显,因为有"小三"的存在: Dr.McCoy。
个人最喜欢的ST角色,吐槽功力Max,超可爱的一只。
个人最喜欢的ST角色,吐槽功力Max,超可爱的一只。 医生与舰长大副的组合成为银河铁三角,三个人的拌嘴是我最喜欢的情节。 医生本来是原初三个主角之一,结果在JJ重启后几乎沦为配角,让我十分不爽,同时也更加突出了舰长大副的CP吧。 个人以为教主当初应该没有刻意突出舰长大副的CP,只是后续系列的发展以及粉丝们的看法吧。
超越普通友谊和情欲的存在
感谢这一点,让ST在外人看来不那么geek和nerd,而有点可爱了。
舰副一生推,入教保平安!
slash的起源不会是无风就起浪
Spock 是Zachary Quinto演的..
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星际迷航中的曲速是星际迷航中独有的移动方式,原理类似于扭曲空间以获得可以超越光速的相对移动速度,但是绝对不是虫洞,这个在原初系列中就讲的很清楚了曲速的计算是以光的次方数来算的比如一个曲速就是十倍光速,两倍曲速就是一百倍光速在星际迷航中人类最先进的科技可以达到十的9.5次方的光速然后由于科技体系的不同,同一个宇宙中的人种博格人拥有更加快速的移动方式,最快速度是地球人类也就是联邦的几十倍以上(这个记得不是太清楚了,不过在星际迷航 航海家号里面有)
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第4集寇克从23世纪穿梭到20世纪,星历年是8xxx.x(具体忘了)。那么我们现在到23世纪()还有288年,现在的星历年现在大概是多少呢
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有网站可以算..不过我觉得不准确,因为历代ST里,编剧所用的星历算法有不一样的TNG和VOY里的标准是统一的,星历每1000算一年,小数点后面是一天的时间。但是套用在TOS里就完全不对了...按照那个标准,现在的星历是负的,应该是-310XXX左右阿尔法记忆上说,星历的数值跟空间位置、曲速大小都有关系,所以没法单凭飞船在外太空的时候的星历,推测哪一集的具体时间
首先星历的启示年份是在ENT开始的那段时间里而不是现在,所以用现在的年份转换星历的话我们现在是-2W多如果从西元开始来算的话,现在是3xxxx多星历
话说以前我发过一个计算星历的帖子- -精品区里有,当然。。。乃要是愿意找。。。。
兴许星历在设计的时候,充分考虑了相对论效应和空间扭曲对时间的影响,是最科学也是最难算的历法(当然了,有计算机帮着算呢)
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